Reasons Why There’s No Talking to a Leftist Liberal About Donald Trump; The Conversation You Wish You Could Have


Who was I kidding in my post, Talking Points for Dinner Conversation with Liberals?

You cannot talk to a Leftist Liberal. I tried. My “Talking Points” failed.

I didn’t take my own advice and just remain as silent as possible only saying: That’s false. I don’t believe that. That’s wrong. And leaving it at that. Because calling something “false” has power; believing something false has no power.

I failed because a Leftist Liberal has an answer for everything, mostly based on their own  f e e l i n g s. And how can a Liberal be proven wrong about their feelings? Such an infallible bellwether. This is the way a Liberal will try to yank me or anyone into their pessimistic, hateful, apparently suicidal illusion under the guise of being open minded. Coupled with the tactic of reversing everything verifiably true said about Hillary Clinton by turning it into “quoting” a vague rumor along the same lines heard somewhere about Donald Trump.

Liberals think their own feelings are the most precious, most important indicator in the world. No one has ever told them that their emotions are telling them they are believing something that’s not true.

If presented with too much data and demonstrable evidence about the person they voted for, Leftist Liberals only abdicate their complicity in her warmongering, criminal activity, lies, and pay-for-play by saying, “Don’t get me wrong. I don’t like Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.” They see Hillary as the lesser to two evils. Which could only be possible if they’ve never scratched the surface with a pinky nail, or went outside the mainstream media bubble, to learn anything about their candidate. Content to believe the mainstream media’s propaganda and pillory of Trump, “balanced” by blatant Hillary-aggrandizing. (The Unbearable Smugness of the Press)

So what I cannot say aloud, I will write here just for my own satisfaction and be done with it. It’s more fun than talking politics with a media-tranced Leftist anyway.


Leftist:  I don’t like the gun-carrying rednecks that Trump has brought out. I know a story about a Pakistani girl who was sidled up to by two guys in a truck saying, “Now you’re going back to the country you came from.”

Me: What about the riots going on this minute all over the country? Where Hillary supporters are rioting against and undermining a democratic election process. Where they are spray painting Die Whites Die on a New Orleans’ monument? Where two Black guys yanked a White Trump voter out of his car, beat him, drove away in the White guy’s car…whose arm was stuck in the window…dragging him down the road…lynching style? (Don’t be surprised if this video has been taken down to hide the truth.)

Leftist: Well….  I’ll tell you the truth, I’d join the protests myself if there were any around here.

  • Observation:
    Yes, there are White Supremacists and Black Supremacists. Both are groups so relatively small, and by no means can be stereotyped to include all Whites nor all Blacks. And that’s what you based your vote on? So you could stop gun-toting rednecks from being gun-toting rednecks? Besides, you’d probably never even admit Black Supremacy could possibly exist because:

White Leftist Liberals won’t allow themselves to possibly think ill of a Black person — and recently added to that list, Islamics.

  1. White Leftist Liberals won’t allow themselves to possibly think ill of a Black person (and recently added to that list, Islamics). Because Liberal Whites have been guilted into believing they deserve everything Blacks dish out in order to atone for….  What? Being slave owners. Being in the Klu Klux Klan. Denying a Black person service or a job. Enforcing segregation. No…yet some “force” has managed to make them feel guilty for the past before they were even alive, White Males, especially, have bought it. Or in reality, are Leftist Liberals just afraid of Blacks? Unless and in addition…the Liberal really does have buried racist thoughts and that’s what they’re covering up by overextending their noblesse oblige.
  2. “I’m a White person. Being of the superior race, I can take the high road. I can afford to overlook this thuggery and hate crimes of Black Lives Matter (56 law enforcement officers gunned down this year, more than last two years combined). I can afford to overlook widespread belief in Sharia Law over the U.S. Constitution by Muslims. I can overlook illegal border crossing Mexican gangs credited with the majority of heroin coming into our communities and schools. But what’s intolerable for me to overlook is anything in White people who voted for Donald Trump.” (Leftist Liberals are very quick to freely call others what in fact they are themselves. Leftist Liberals love to project.)

Me: Okay. I see. You voted for Hillary Clinton because you, too, think you’re above the law. That would explain your choice of candidate. You think it’s justified to destroy property, break people’s limbs…peace-loving Liberal…so concerned about a Pakistani girl’s feelings when Trump-supporters, including elementary children, are being physically beaten, bullied, oppressed, dragged out of their cars, called hateful epithets on the whole.

(YouTube has taken down the disturbing video of a teenage girl for Trump being beaten by a female schoolmate on school grounds, not wanting the true haters to be exposed — so they can carry on rioting and throwing a temper tantrum in righteous indignation, deluding themselves that they’re the ones being oppressed.)

Me:  Oh…you say you wouldn’t actually destroy things, just make your hatred of Donald Trump known in a public way. THAT’S WHAT YOUR VOTE WAS ABOUT. And Hillary Clinton lost. Donald Trump won. Win-Lose…that’s an election. And not Good-Bad, which is a religious conceit. This is all that’s happened here, Win-Lose. Nothing to Protest. The will of the people made Trump the nominee in the Primary. And the will of the people elected him President of the United States. He was not appointed or otherwise “installed” like a CIA dictator against the people’s will. You are not a victim.But if you want to protest that you still live in a (quasi) democracy…act like a dumbass. It’s your right.

Liberals have tremendous trouble understanding scale by making everything in the world personal. This includes projecting their own feelings onto how others, whom they’ve never met, must feel…exactly the same as themselves. 

In addition to the Pakistani girl having something admittedly very mean said to her, here’s a really great example of “scale”written on Daily Kos website, by commenter Kenvan Carroll McConnon, who voted for Hillary.

Kenvan: This whole thing makes me really, really sad and really, really angry. I don’t know what to do. I want a do-over. I want to enjoy listening to Hank 3 again. I want a better world. I’m crying for myself and my world. I can’t imagine the pain felt by woman, latinos, muslims, jews,…..the list is too long. This is killing me.

Me:  Kenvan, arrogating to yourself the problems of every minority and self-interest group you can think of will kill you. But don’t forget all these people have one thing in common, they’re American. And in order for Trump to have won so spectacularly — because these Americans want a stronger country — there are women, Latinos, Muslims, Jews and Blacks who voted  for Trump. Oh Kenvan, don’t look so shocked. Here, you’ve really got to see this video. It’ll cheer you up.


Me: Obama had deported more immigrants than any other president.

Leftist:  I don’t agree with that.

Me:  Well, that would be in keeping with your noblesse oblige — generosity and nobility toward those less privileged — as the superior race, which also entitles you to be above the law when it doesn’t suit your ideology.


Leftist:  I don’t trust Trump. He’s just like all the others. He has his name in big gold letters on all the buildings he owns. He’s a salesman and possibly a con man. Nothing is going to change. We’re all stuck. There are very few politicians who really care about us.

Me:  I think Trump does care. He didn’t have to do this. He stepped up because he was tired of the corruption and the status quo he saw. And he thought he’d be the one who’d have to change it himself because no one else was.

Me: Trump had the strength to stand down the Clinton mafia who owns the mainstream media who tried and failed to excoriate him. Attorney General Loretta Lynch and the Department of Justice who refused to prosecute Hillary under The Espionage Act, which she clearly violated. Billionaire Hillary campaign donor and radical progressive George Soros, with his voting machines in 16 states. Among the Clintons’ many other political mob connections. And Trump had the brashness to do so. This brashness is what got Trump elected, but which so offends a Leftist Liberal’s  f r a g i l e  sense of political correctness.

  • Observation:
    Trump is an American Hero. We were on the brink of becoming a Banana Republic. Highly placed intelligence insiders like Dr. Steve Pieczenik, American patriots, behind the scenes are calling this election the 2nd American Revolution — and you slept through it…and wouldn’t believe it anyway.

Me:  Remember that song, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised? That’s how you missed it, L.L. You were watching TV news. And now you want to protest the one chance however small in Trump we have to regain our freedom from the financial global elite…those who are the ones actually giving you such a pessimistic view of your life in the world. Because they do want to screw you, with Hitlary as their front person, to whom a thousand signs for this point over her 40-year political career. And don’t point to Donald Trump.

  • How do you live with such a pessimistic view of life? I refuse to think we’re all powerless. That’s miserable. I refuse to think that the mistake of things such as NAFTA and Iraq cannot be reversed. That we just have to live with the way things are. That is not the American Dream our Founding Fathers had in mind, which has sorely eroded since the 70s. Accelerated since Bill Clinton took office in 1992, straight through the Bushes and sacred-cow Obama. (Here for Obama’s pathetic stats as president)
  • Maybe Trump won’t change things. But sure as hell, we knew what we would get with Hitlary, and it was despicable. Obama and now she wants a huge underclass by opening our borders to illegal and Muslim immigrants and a mass influx of poorly educated, non-English speakers with little job skills and therefore no ability to rise through the socioeconomic strata. (And shrinking job prospects, anyway, especially if Hillary had her pro-TPP way.) That’s okay with you…for everyone to be kept on the bottom permanently? The U.S. imperiously relying on slave labor in China and Mexico, etc., to make things for us on the cheap because America doesn’t itself make hardly anything any more. Except for companies like New Balance who was ripped to smithereens by Leftist Liberals after saying upon Trump’s victory they were glad jobs would be returning to the U.S., because all their shoe wear is made in the U.S.A. — providing jobs for Americans.
  • Hillary’s ongoing land grabs and destabilization of the Middle East, achieved most recently in Libya and now Syria, helped by her and Obama’s $80 billion donation to Saudi Arabia to buy arms for jihadists. Saudi Arabia, one of the richest countries in the world — and the funding country behind 9/11. Remember 9/11, L.L.? Thus creating power vacuums into which ISIS and Al Queda pour. Destabilization by Hillary the reason for so many refugees you champion in the first place. More war more war and more war, including with Russia. To whom Hillary already sold 20% of U.S. Uranium between 2009 and 2013…ensuring America would have a good chance of losing if Hitlary were to start a nuclear war with Russia. But as she said about Benghazi, What difference at this point does it make? Because she’s gotten the money for the uranium channeled through the money-laundering Clinton Foundation.

Me:  Yes, I know L.L. You still want to talk about Trump egotistically putting his name in big gold letters on the buildings he owns.


Fear and pessimism are what rule Leftist Liberals…going back to their feelings (not their intellect) being their most important asset.

This is attested to by rioting, a petition to abolish the Electoral College, and another saying Hillary should be president because she won the popular vote. False. Provable in court for the myriad forms of vote tampering exhibited in the 2016 Presidential Election. Here, here and  Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe Pardons 60,000 Felons; Enough to Swing Election.  In other words, Leftist Liberals think they can change the rules of the game after the game is over. Once again…illustrating that rules can and should be bent to a Leftist Liberal’s will — laws broken for the higher good as adjudicated by themselves.

Leftist Liberals of all colors, as a single phenomenon, have any combination of 1) heightened sense of superiority, and 2) highly developed sense of victimhood.

Liberals are also indulging in 20/20 hindsight thinking everything would be different if only Bernie Sanders ran instead of Hillary. Like the press assuring Liberals that Hillary had the election in the bag, this line of thought is highly dubious. Yes. Whoever Liberal voted for Hillary would surely have voted for Bernie, only with more enthusiasm. People who voted third-party would probably have rather voted Bernie. But that doesn’t mean more Trump supporters would have switched to a career politician talking about making America more Democratic Socialist like Europe. Rather than Capitalist with a de-centralized Federal government (which has too much power). A 240-year experiment that many millions of Americans aren’t ready to see die yet — or else they can emigrate to Europe, which is the only decent thing for them to do.

Me:  I know L.L. Emigrating to Europe does cost a lot of money. It does take time up to 10 years, a lot of paperwork and hoops to be jumped through. It’s hard to get in. That is the case with every other Western Democracy in the whole g.d. world. The very main thing Trump and his supporters are called “racist” and “bigots” for. Do you really hate this country so much that you think giving it away to the lowest bidder, illegals and millions of refugees, is being generous and open-hearted? With no care for our own inner-cities (which by the way, are populated by a lot of Black people, who have slid backward under Obama) and working poor, to include Hispanics. L.L., I’m also beginning to think you are prejudiced against regular people with money. When all they’ve done is create their own lives by taking responsibility for their own feelings and actions, without blaming anyone else, and therefore don’t qualify to be one of your victim causes.

In fact, socialism might have been worse to some Republicans who did jump ship to Hillary. And would have been enough to make them stay with Trump no matter their personal distaste.

If we learned anything from this election…you never know. Both Bernie and Trump were “change” candidates, unlike Hillary. And both had as his subtext, according to Mike Rowe of the Discovery Channel’s Dirty Jobs, “‘Hey — we can see you,’ to millions of regular people who had started to feel invisible. And today, that’s also why Donald Trump is the President of the United States.”


Leftist Liberals are very indulgent. And love to play Santa Claus to the world. Something Trump was elected to stop.

Leftist Liberals are highly indulgent. With themselves. With their feelings. With their children, a contingent of whom are woebegone and angry by this betrayal and that of mainstream media who smugly told them Hillary would win. With the mutability of the law as conforms to their one-sided worldview. And with any minority or self-prescribed victim group whom social-justice Liberals deem worthy of their charity and pity.

White Leftist Liberals show all the signs of hating themselves for being White. (I’m not talking about Democrats.)

White Americans who voted for Donald Trump would not be one of these favored Leftist Liberal pity groups. Because truth is, Leftist Liberals show all the signs of hating themselves for being White — and so neatly separate themselves from anyone who reminds them of where they came from and who they really are or are irrationally fearful they could become at any moment: poor and powerless. They’re mad because so many White people voted for Donald Trump, and in their hubris rail at the unfairness of this. The President of the United States encouraging an undocumented millennial alien to vote because “Voting makes you a citizen,” hardly an issue for a Leftist Liberal.

Whether he changes anything or not, Donald Trump has given back to these deplorables, White people so hated and oppressed by the Liberal Left’s rigidity and political correctness/lack of freedom of speech…a reason to believe in their own power and their vote. A reason to believe in the American Dream again. On the front lines of poverty, they are leagues ahead of Leftist Liberals in understanding that the American Dream has been under siege for some time by government who does not have their best interest at heart.

Me: Yes, you were right about that L.L. So why did you vote for Hillary Clinton and the continuation of this siege?


The kindest, more compassionate thing we can do for Leftist Liberals in our lives  is to tell them that their emotions indicate something is not true. Whatever they’re believing to cause the emotion is false. If they don’t want to hear it — and likely not as they overvalue their feelings so much — the least you can do is realize this for them in your own mind and let it go. And also realize that their protesting against Trump being president is an emotional cock-up that means they know they are losing, wrong and have no power. That whatever they’re thinking about Trump is everything they should have been thinking about Hillary. So don’t let them get to you, because an emotional person is never rational. Don’t you yourself become emotional and dragged into their pathos.


As for Obama, were you to read the following line from the Liberal-sycophant New York Times, you’d think Obama had nothing to do with the state of the country at this moment…while he is still impersonating a president and on day four of post-election riots. As of yet, this jackass has delivered no message whatsoever to his adoring Liberal followers to quell the disturbances (riots) causing so much harm…citing their First Amendment Rights (to perform criminal acts)

“Suddenly, the progressive, post-racial, bridge-building society he promised has given way to an angry, jeering, us-against-them nation.” This is a reflection of no other than Obama himself and his leadership and lack thereof. “Post Racial” my ass. He wants the country to burn down, to be leveled by hate crimes…and he’s stoked that fire for a long time. Racism has worsened since Obama took office. And now he’s sitting back enjoying the Grand Finale of his creation.



Liberal Oppression; What They Won’t Admit about Muslim Immigration, Slavery in the Middle East & Racism among the Minorities They Champion

Today I visited Aljazeera’s website, interested in an opinion piece by Malak Chabkoun, entitled Spoiled Americans now want to flee what they created; The reactions of many Americans to the Trump victory is a symptom of their political immaturity (November 10, 2016).  Reading a good chunk of the 198 comments posted, most seemed to be written by gun-toting, redneck, racist pro-Trump supporters. Only a small percentage seemed to reflect a Hillary supporter. You know, the educated people open to viewpoints and alternate media other than those that merely promulgate their own biases.

This response by Kristen Jordan was so beautifully rendered that I am reprinting it here. She was responding to another comment by Anonymous. (I am not correcting the grammar or syntax for either just to give an idea of who in reality is an informed, cogent thinker and who’s not.)


‘always great’ when the u.s.has always been white supremacist and racist?
a great country would not misuse it’s power and mistreat minorities, like the u.s. has been doing for so long.
Why so many of you people have to keep ignoring your own defects and continue boosting your own egos with this ‘america great’ self hypnosis, is really strange.

Kristen Jordan:

Anonymous, you appear to know little about the US if you say the US is “white supremacist” and “racist” and we treat immigrants bad. My grandparents and every immigrant I’ve know for decades didn’t complain. Which immigrants are you speaking of? What minorities? You don’t seem to know how during the immigration waves over 75 years ago that all the Europeans who came here also fought with each other. The Italians and Irish especially had a thing. You see, not all Europeans are the same nor the same shades of “white.” Mexicans down to Argentinians are full of “white” people of European descent. There are very few Indian tribes left. We have not been white supremacist and we are hardly as racist as Middle Eastern countries, China, etc.

You spit out lines that beg questions and I get the feeling you don’t know enough history about America like so many foreigners don’t because they repeat the same things. They say the same thing about Indians without knowing all that, they forget the Europe fought and killed each other before they got to where they are today, they don’t know that Mexicans in Texas don’t like Ecuadorians, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, etc. That all minority groups are racist or don’t like some ethnic group such as blacks and Koreans in cities. It’s s the same in the Middle East–I know in Iran. Please study a lot more from various sources by repeating lines from other ignorant people. The Middle East is so racist a Qatari couple was deported and their two slaves were awarded $65,000 each. Yes, they were deemed slaves. They treat Chinese and Indian workers terribly there.

It’s fine to point out faults, but then people should be able to compare and contrast to other countries.

This article has a point but it’s superficial and has too much of an anti-US attitude to see the fuller picture. Yes, there are definitely a lot of spoiled young people here who are clueless of many things and can’t answer basic questions about government, history, etc. correctly but know entertainment questions quite easily. They are also taught bad history and to act like victims. [emphasis mine] The claims against Trump being dangerous are ridiculous and we do need to curb immigration and we are not obligated to take anyone in or any from certain countries and we’ve always had quotas as to how many we allow in from countries, and so on. If one is a citizen they won’t be deported. [emphasis mine] If one is not a citizen and is here illegally they were always in danger of being deported and shouldn’t have been there. I do not feel sorry for those people. They shouldn’t have established lives and families here illegally. Disrespect for the law is condoning law breaking in general. [emphasis mine]

Since Saudi Arabia and Middle Eastern countries have sent their kids to our universities for decades, we should send some of these liberal spoiled brats to Saudi Arabia for 6 months to a year, especially women. Then they will see what *real* oppression is. Trump is not about repression or oppression, but the liberals ARE about repression…repression of free speech, ideas, other people’s rights and feelings (such as how girls in school might feel about boys in their bathrooms) and things like that.

The dictators in the Middle East have been there before we were ever involved. That is how it’s operated…dictators, kings, theocrats. It doesn’t matter if we got rid of one or two because they were there before. The Middle Eastern countries don’t know democracy because they’ve had dictators controlling them. The Middle Eastern people need to understand that very clearly–if they are oppressed, they are oppressed by their own governments. If they are an Islamic government they oppress other religions, other ethnic groups, etc. and are much worse than the USA…Iran, the Gulf states, Egypt, all of North Africa and much of the rest of it…all corrupt, oppressive dictatorships. The US has a secular government and does not favor a religion, and the Muslim groups here seeking to change our government are going to be in a big fight with many Americans.

That’s why Trump won. Because we know what those groups are doing. Muslims need to think about how others feel and all the nasty things we hear from THEM and I see it constantly. So therefore I’m as oppressed as Muslims just as gays and anyone else. Jews have it the worse. Stop playing a victim. [emphasis mine]